PODCAST

January 27, 2026

EP#19

Guest | Lisa Laskow Lahey, PhD

In this conversation, Tom Athenour and Lisa Lahey explore the intricacies of organizational development and transformation, emphasizing the importance of understanding the difference between informational and transformational learning.

They discuss the role of leadership in fostering a deliberately developmental organization, the challenges leaders face in navigating change, and the significance of self-reflection and feedback in personal and organizational growth.

Lisa introduces the immunity to change framework, highlighting how leaders can identify self-protective mechanisms and challenge their assumptions to foster a more adaptive and strategic approach to leadership.

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Takeaways

Development is about expanding our inner landscape.
Leaders must recognize the difference between technical and adaptive challenges.
Creating a culture that welcomes mistakes is essential for growth.
Self-reflection is crucial for effective leadership.
Immunity to change helps leaders identify self-protective behaviors.
Assumptions can limit a leader’s ability to grow.
Feedback from others is vital for personal development.
Strategic thinking requires dedicated time and space.
Curiosity is a key driver of leadership development.
Organizational culture impacts individual growth opportunities.

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Lisa Lahey: LinkedIn Profile

Books by Robert Kegan and Lisa Laskow Lahey

Immunity to Change: How to Overcome It and Unlock the Potential within Yourself and Organization.

An Everyone Culture: Becoming a Deliberately Developmental Organization

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